in the government who's focused on government list. he outlines things he doesn't believe are appropriate. i just want to tell the viewers what we understand about the zombie conference. apparently, we paid, dhs gave grants to first responders -- look at this. [laughter] we gave grants to first responders to go get counterterrorism training, and they did, and they attended this five-day summit. and one of the things that was offered here was the zombie training exercise, but now under the microscope they're saying, oh, the taxpayer money didn't actually fund this particular piece of the conference, but in any event, coburn says, look, the money's finning bl, it's ridiculous. >> i actually interviewed senator coburn, and he made a fantastic point about this. by the way, i think he's a here are for -- hero for digging into this stuff. we've got the debate about the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling and we're talking in the trillions. before you can even get to the trillions, if you can't stop stuff like this, does the american public eve